The Great Harlem Debate: Is Obama Good For Black People?
Another important gathering took place today regarding the future of African America. VoxUnion was there and below we offer the unadulterated audio. Stay tuned for follow up interviews, discussion, remixes and excerpts.
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Not necassarily, but too early to tell.
Eye have been doing and will continue to do extensive research into secret societies and behind the scenes governmental activeties which eye’m obliously not gonna discuss here.
Wot eye will say is please! Lets give the man a chance to get in.
He has to at least get thru the 1st term, then at about the middle of his 3rd term if he wins all three (we’re looking at 2016 onwards)we may see him for wot he is.
By that time, he may have devised a way to discredit or complain about wot his superiors are upto…………………………..
I thought the debate was interesting–particularly the opposing side.
They, Ani, Ford, Bin-Wahid, Turner, etc. brought more research analysis to the discussion than the pro side. The pro/yes side only ranted, and begged the issue. It was clear that they supported Obama solely because he is of African ancestry.
However, personally, I do not support, or oppose Obama. I merely view him for what he is at this point in history, and that is a USA politician.
Is he good for Black people? We won’t know that until he is securely in office. We do know he is, and will be good for Israel, some immigrant groups, international bankers, and some other special interest groups.
He promised some of these groups his presidential attention; however, he did not promise Black people anything. But, I will not eliminate the possibilty that he might do some worthwile things for Black people.
In the final anylysis, Blacks must organize, demonstrate, protest, and establish an operative agenda that speaks to their needs, wants, and aspirations, and keep his feet to the fire with regard to these concerns.
Pan-Africanists, Black Nationalist, and progressives must organize to form a left block now. All progressive thinking people regardless of ideology, or particular concern, must come together for an all inclusive commom good. Advocates for political prisoners, envirnmentalist, civil-rights advocates, immigrants, and the like must cease with their separte agendas. Because all of these issues, are part and parcel of each other.
Finally, I think it is ludicrous to the highest level to assign messianic qualities to Obama. History has shown us that nothing is accomplished in this society without consistent struggle. It was struggle that compelled presidents to sign needed legislation. The abolistionist movement, the Civil-Rights movement, the Labor movement, the Suffraget movement, the feminist movement, the Gay rights movement, etc. were accomplished through struggle, not by the magnanmious will of the president–only.
Peace
Adib Rashad
RashadM@aol.com
Afrikan people are indeed in a serious pickle.
In the face of analysis, many presented emotional empty rhetoric.
Total disrespect to a man who just ask he present one more statement.
Total disrespect to those who present fact with prepubescent interruptions.
These crackrz who push one of their own(obama;who came from a white womb), on Afrikans like they’ve done for centuries, must be amuzed.
To see a collective after centuries of pogrom whom are still clueless about their real enemy(white, their systems, and their “obama”.
Those of us who know the perilous situation WE will be presented with due to obama may have to leave those we love who support him behind.
like 1979 guyana, it may pain us to do so but even then many of our folk drank the “elixir” of hope and “change” only to be led into eternal heartbreak.
Htp
Give thanks Abib, I concur with much of what you have to say. I do though look at those coming in from the Mexican border as potentially problematic. Not that black people have any say anyway though I’m concerned about the Columbian Cocaine coming in with the Cali Cartels and those coming in from Lareda, Texas.
Though on the Obama peice, I didn’t make it to New York. I’ve heard that many of the persons were like you or the other post said was emotional and the fact that he was/is blacker or darker than others.
My thought is have any of these persons organized per se for elected office. I know Malik Shabazz ran in D.C. He lost if I’m not mistaken. He should’ve learned from that how this system is structured. The more exceptable you are to the powers that be the more they like you. Jeffries never ran for anything. I don’t even know if he has done any lobbying. I want to hear and see they run for office as Congress persons. The reality is that Congress has a level of Power, The Supreme Court has a level of Power. Black folk just lost another seat in New Orleans with Handkercheif Head William Jefferson. I believe they picked up another seat in Ohio from Stephanie Tubbs transition recently.
Bottom line is if we are not building industries and growing our population numbers we will still be a minority. I don’t care what token Mayor, Governor and President there is, as Dr. Claud Anderson said recently and what Bro. Heru said on Jared Ball’s show on monday that we didn’t get anything with black mayor’s and won’t get anything from a President that is controlled by Zionists, Oil, Bankers, Wall Street Finance. It seems as though some folk conviently leave out a key component. Nathan Rothschild says give me control over a Nations currency and I care not who the president is. The Pro’s are going alog with the illusion. My position is this is either good or bad though I know these people do not want us on the planet. There mission of death, destruction and domination must continue and we must stop it with Power!
This broadcasted debate is very important on a number of levels. While I cannot produce an exhaustive list, I’ll mention several.
1) Diasporan Africans of diverse perspectives sharing their ideas in an organized manner grows us emotionally, psychologically, intellectually, spiritually, and interpersonally
The debaters emphasize the reality that there is no monolithic good or bad, but that humans are a complex compilation of sophisticated and unsophisticated behaviors and beliefs, we are a system of finiteness and infinity
2) Such a context that invites rigorous and competitive advancement of viewpoints, stimulates and fosters responsible scholarship among both listeners and presenters
3) The venue accords the public at large to witness the thrust of Diasporan Africans’ investment to “Do The Right Thing,” and affirms/reaffirms the same in us
4) This U.S. presidential topic has the potential of exercising our political global IQ muscles particularly given that the incoming U.S. President is an African descent person
5) The venue is suggestive of a growing trend for Diasporan to think and act more proactively than predominantly reactively
6) Public discourse that examines and test international politics brings to the forefront Diasporan African’s perspectives about other people groups, their issues, and their respective countries/governments
7) The collective of young people, elders, scholars, poets, and manifest spirituality highlights the holistic circularity of the African way of being in the world, a phenomena that overturns the establishment of anthropological impoverishment so coveted by many non-Africans
9) The impact of the quality of both the pro and con debate points coupled with the caliber of the debtors themselves creates a synergy that effectively elevates individual/collective awareness and intellect
10) Opposing viewpoints honing in agreeably on the significance of cultural ethnicity and Africanity in particular, underscore the validity and goodness of ethnic distinctiveness rather than perpetuate a mythological idea that cultural ethnic difference is inherently deviant
11) Such a venue AND the manner in which is was facilitated has great potential in making us more colleagues, friends, partners, and lovers than less enemies, saboteurs, murderers, and haters
Peace family,
We cannot be fooled by the smoke and mirros used in this program. Yes to some extent we participate in Babylon, however we are grounded with the ultimate intent of what it is we need to accomplish not just for ourselves but for our seeds. With that being said we as being so-called conscious people should have no problem coming to the realization that the ellite are using this election tactic at this specific time for a reason. It is no coinsidence that the universe is speaking louder (vibrations) than ever right now. Those at the top know this Family and are using this symbol or figure to drain the energy of the people like a vampire.
We need to overstand that attention is extremely important and “where your attention goes your energy flows.”
As a people who are supposed to be conscious you can never regain your position by participating in the same system that still enslaves you. This is a form of mental insanity. These peoples at the top never give the game up for free believe that. Maybe you know people that do but around my way nothing is free from hustlers.
We need to pay attention not to this illusion but to the sublties which will teach us what and were and how we need to go about our destiny. Participating in a lie is disrespecful to not only you but to your anscestors! Only if Nat Turner could see the modern day Negro, especially those who claim to be in his horizonatl bloodline.
Somehow we are missing the mark Family. I am keeping it Kindigarten right now, but come on now, lets wake up, I am a youngin in the game and to hear my elders speak about this illusion as some form of hope makes see the 5 within the 5.
I could spit 16 but Im done.
1luv4life!!!
Both sides did their jobs. The anti Obama side brought up valuable points that we all need to keep in mind, while the pro Obama side truley put this moment in history in the proper perspective. Zulu Shabazz said it best, The election of Obama marks the end of the world as we’ve known it.(Thats worth some celebrarting!) Some of you expect the president to spark the revolution for us. Many of you are so confused, i can tell by your comments. Since you think Obama is a big scam, tell me this, WHat do plan on doing about it. Probably nothing. You are just crabs in the bucket who sit around and stagnate progress, by shooting down all plans for progress while you do nothing.
http://www.finalcall.com/MEMORANDUM-46.htm Copy and Paste
NATIONAL SECURITY COUNCIL MEMORANDUM-46
Zbigniew Brezinski
Obamas Foreign Policy Advisor
Read what he thinks about Africa and U.S.Blacks
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Nana Kwesi